Hillary The Plagiarist
Okay, folks who thought that Obama's uncredited speech was shady, please tell me how you feel about Clinton using John Edwards' word (as found on AB):
Clinton Tonight: "You know, whatever happens, we're going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people. And that's what this election should be about." - Democratic Debate, 2/21/07
John Edwards: "What's not at stake are any of us. All of us are going to be just fine no matter what happens in this election. But what's at stake is whether America is going to be fine." - Democratic Debate, 12/13/07
John Edwards: "I want to say this to everyone: with Elizabeth, with my family, with my friends, with all of you and all of your support, this son of a millworker's gonna be just fine. Our job now is to make certain that America will be fine." - Edwards Speech, 1/30/08
by MG at 11:22 PM
13 Comments:
Mox, I rarely disagree with you, but that just doesn't look like plaigerism to me. Political candidates give lots and lots of speeches, and I would expect to find a similar phrase or sentence here and there when comparing transcripts. Really, I don't see anything in those quotes to get excited about.
I know Mel, that's kind of my point. People got their panties in a bunch because Obama used phrases similar to a speech made by his friend - at the behest OF that friend - and he forgot to immediately credit his friend for those words. I just wonder if those people will hold Clinton up to the same candle for using similar phrases from her former competitor, and if she DID receive permission to use those phrases, why she didn't credit him.
short of some disaster happening to Obama(doubtful, the way he's been running this so far), he'll win Texas--maybe even Ohio, too--and HRC will fold up her tents.
and while its not a given, i think Obama's real uphill climb was against Hillary. Beating McCain will be comparatively easier.
I didn't think there was much to her charge of plagiarism and in the end, all it has really done is make me disappointed in Hillary.
The Clinton crew should have gone negative back in the '90's to counter the right wing. It's a little late now. No one wants that type of campaign anymore.
I really enjoy reading your blog, it always has great insight. But I am very frustrated with the media’s lack of questions to the presidential candidates about global warming. Now that it is down to just a few candidates I would think that this would be a bigger issue.
Live Earth just picked up this topic and put out an article ( http://www.liveearth.org/news.php ) asking why the presidential candidates are not being solicited for their stance on the issue of the climate change. I just saw an article describing each candidate’s stance on global warming and climate change on earthlab.com http://www.earthlab.com/articles/PresidentialCandidates.aspx . So obviously they care about it. Is it the Medias fault for not asking the right questions or is it the candidates’ fault for not highlighting the right platforms? Does anyone know of other websites or articles that touch on this subject and candidates’ views? This is the biggest problem of the century and for generations to come…you would think the next president of the United States would be more vocal about it.
I really enjoy reading your blog, it always has great insight. But I am very frustrated with the media’s lack of questions to the presidential candidates about global warming. Now that it is down to just a few candidates I would think that this would be a bigger issue.
Live Earth just picked up this topic and put out an article ( http://www.liveearth.org/news.php ) asking why the presidential candidates are not being solicited for their stance on the issue of the climate change. I just saw an article describing each candidate’s stance on global warming and climate change on earthlab.com http://www.earthlab.com/articles/PresidentialCandidates.aspx . So obviously they care about it. Is it the Medias fault for not asking the right questions or is it the candidates’ fault for not highlighting the right platforms? Does anyone know of other websites or articles that touch on this subject and candidates’ views? This is the biggest problem of the century and for generations to come…you would think the next president of the United States would be more vocal about it.
Mel, I agree with you... a similiar phrase here or there isn't a big deal. I have no intention of being lured into rabbit holes of who said what and when. I will support WHOMEVER wins the nomination. That said, all the glow I felt after Obama's Wisconsin speech faded once I saw the ideas came from someone else.
Words DO mean something. I know that now.
http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/02/22/whatever-happens/
A very relevant response.
MJ
i think Obama's real uphill climb was against Hillary. Beating McCain will be comparatively easier.
God, I wish you were right, rob!, but I fear you are totally wrong. My impression is that Obama has been given pretty much a free pass during the primary while coverage of Hillary has been a net negative. For that reason, polls which show him faring better against the various prospective Republican nominees than Hillary are, I suspect, rather over-optimistic.
Once Obama is nominated, he'll get subjected to the same treatment which befell Gore and Kerry and it will be a tremendous battle for him to win the presidency. Barack's race and Hillary's gender would no doubt galvanize a significant number of voters — both pro and con — so it's hard to say what the relative impact of that is. (I tend to think America is more racist than misogynist, but YMMV.) And both Barack and Hillary are intellectual in a way that tends to go against the grain of "average" American culture, so again, no relative disadvantage there. However, Barack's name, cultural heritage, and relative newness on the political scene will make it much easier for Republicans and the corporate media to paint him as "foreign" and "Other" than they could with Hillary. I think this will be a real liability for him in the general election and for that reason supported Hillary (though politically they are extremely close). Remember, this is a country where the moronic question, "Which candidate would you rather have a beer with?" is treated as legitimate topic of discussion among some MSM pundits.
I think it is precisely because he is the weaker Democratic candidate that the corporate media has given Barack relatively soft treatment. They want the presidency to remain safely in the hands of their Republican sycophants. Hopefully, they are wrong about this, and if Barack gets nominated, he is able to mobilize enough support from legions of disaffected Americans to overcome the formidable obstacles he'll face in the general election, and that if elected, he works to hold those who have been undermining our democracy for the past two terms accountable for their actions.
(As far as the plagiarism issue goes, MG, I agree that was a pretty feeble campaign move on Hillary's part.)
I'm kind of done caring about bashing Hillary at this point. I know that the party has made history and has shown that it is the party of opportunity for American from every walk of life not just a couple of crusty old rich bible beating white guys who try to sneak out of paying their taxes by any means. The Democratic party will go down in history (Once again)as the party in this election that was culturally relevant, current and accessible to all Americans. Their differences are slight at best because policy will be driven mainly from the party seats in congress.
ballgame-
you could be right!
my hunch is that, since Obama is getting as much, if not more, support from independents and people who lean democratic but don't think of themselves as one(me, for example) then he will do better in a general than in a primary, where he's trying to win over die-hard dems, who love the clintons.
fingers crossed.
I think its over, its just a matter of how ugly Hillary will let it get.
I do think it will get very dirty with McCain, they are going to pull everything on Obama.
I think he will be okay.
I wrote a cool blip comparing Leona Helmsley to Hillary, I even made a cool little photoshop photo.
The Obama precint specialist stuff has wound down here in CA and I am pretty happy. I found out Friday I got a new job I applied for but they need to do a background. I have never done anything wrong in my life. And, my only vices are smoking tobacco and occasional drink. So, unless they can find something wrong there, I got the job.
I am so affraid to be optimistic since I have never had good luck with getting good jobs and this would be a nice one.
Anyway, waves at MG the girl who talked me into starting a blog.
Henry of
Hmmm. Yeah that doesn't really strike me as plagiarism. I see the similarities, but when two candidates are expressing a fundamentally similar ideas, and they have to use "political" speak, it's just going to sound a little similar like that.
I read that your point was more to ask if readers thought Hillary was going to get roasted for it...
...but yeah the samples you posted just don't strike me as plagiarism.
Kim
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