Right-Wing Whack Job Calls on Mindless Drone Followers to Question the Patriotism of Fellow Americans
Right-wing freaks: Read this sloooowly and caaaarefully...
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH QUESTIONING THE GOVERNMENT! Anyone who tells you different is trying to gain control over you. END OF FUCKING STORY.
Excerpt from YDB:
Stupid cow.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH QUESTIONING THE GOVERNMENT! Anyone who tells you different is trying to gain control over you. END OF FUCKING STORY.
Excerpt from YDB:
In yesterday's column, [retarded fearmonger Melanie] Morgan, among other things, calls decorated-Veteran Congressman John Murtha a coward, accuses Bill Clinton of emboldening Osama bin Laden and urges her readers to question the patriotism of their fellow Americans who oppose the war in Iraq.
Stupid cow.
by MG at 1:41 PM
34 Comments:
Like oh my Gaia! You are so, like totally right! I love your 90's retro moniker: with the Grrrrrrrrl thing. I think it's great that someone is keeping that alive even though it was passe by the year 1997. By the way Moxie Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrl what kind of pachuli do you use? Just curious. I know how much you hate shaving and bathing - like me. Oh and when you cut yourself, what are the best razors to use? I like, tried to use an X-acto knife and the like handle like totally got slippery. Hey! we should like go bake some pies to throw at people who disagree with us! I know, I know - freedom of speech and all - but not with them, right? That's hate speech and hate speech is like against the law. People who like say religious things in public and like do hate speech should be put into camps or something, right? At least jail, though right? Who said they get freedom of speech! And they always say like the right to like carry guns is in the Constitution. Where? Where is that? It says the right to BEAR ARMS - which means like NOT you and me anyway since we don't shave, right? Anyways, U R so smart n stuff. I rilly rilly look up to you. Maybe I can get a blog or something and like be really smart and analytical and junk like you are. You really know what you're talking about! And I love love love your pokes at Jesus and stuff. Christians are ruining it for all of us Wiccans! I know tons of times in the news they've busted up circles and junk and make fun of us when we march in the May Day parades and call us "mimes" and crap. FUCK THEM! Maybe someday you and I can put all of them in camps too. Or we could outlaw their religion and call it "hate speech" so then we could put them all in jail! Wouldn't that be cool?! Everyone but us would be in jail!! Why? Because they disagreed! Awesome! Okay well that's my comment. I'm going to go slash the tires of some dipshit down the street whose baby-killing son just died in Iraq. What a tool!!!! We;re way more patriotic!
Are we seeing the last gasps of the conservative attack mode? Or is this a new Rovian tactic? It is interesting that Bush's and Cheney's initial attacks on Murtha's remarks were quickly replaced by their acceptance of critisism as a legitiment process in democratic discourse.
My guess is that they discovered that their previously effective attacks on all critics as unpatriotic has back-fired.
Now they are exposed as draft deferrment happy/ exclusive National Guard Service chicken-hawks. Wimps and pussies, after all.
What is this dumb-ass 4Q talking about? Who said anything about not bathing or differing opinions being illegal? I think Waffarian's right, this must be the last gasps of the increasingly desperate and fast-shrinking right wing and their brainless mouthpieces. How pathetic. Why keep harping about the nonexistent straw man "argument" that our side wants differing opinions to be made illegal when it is the lunatic right-wing douchebags who spew the laughable garbage about criticizing the "president" being "treason"? 4Q needs to take a whiff of the bullshit her side is shoveling.
4q:
Your comments are somewhat confusing. Are you BWI (blogging while intoxicated). It happens to me sometimes, but it is kind of early in the day for you. Get some rest, dude.
hey 4Q:
We welcome the opportunity to shoot down with logic and reason the differing opinions of right-wing turds 4Q. I personally enjoy it. If you'll recall, it's your side who wants criticism to be labelled "treason", not ours. Care to debate the issues?
No it's not against the law to trash out ones government.
It was NOT against the law for OJ to murder 2 people, since he could afford to buy the best attorneys that money could buy and hire spin doctors.
It's a matter of ethics I guess; just because YOU can do something and get away with it does not make it right.
Ever think of all the money and resources wasted on the Anti-war; Anti American movement?
All of the productivity time wasted on cartons and witty macromedia files?
At a critical time when our Country needs all of the resources and cash they can muster, it is waisted deferring our local enforcement, and tax dollars to baby sit the demonstrator's.
By the way “rich people” provide the bulk of the monies in the US tax pool.
Tax cuts are helping the middle class and poor most.
I have nothing against a person who has had success in the American Dream.
It appears that democrats have failed us. We still have Ghetto's and the democrats promise to to help the poor is a oxymoron.
America did NOT get where it is today by Republicans alone.
Until the mid 1980's the Democrats held the majority for over 50 years.
BTW – A poor person never gave me a job, how about you?
Let's here from all of our work force who was hired by the poor.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Theodore Roosevelt
To blindly follow the gov't simply because "it's wartime" is not "the right thing to do". Questioning and criticizing the gov't during wartime is not "unpatriotic". Quite the opposite, actually. This country was founded, in part, on the idea that gov't is established to serve the public--not the other way around. The Constitution (and more importantly, the Bill of Rights) was written because our founding fathers knew that the people needed to keep the gov't in check, and that if left unquestions/unchallenged the gov't would oppress the people. Saying that patriotism is serving one's government rather than serving one's country (and yes there is a difference!) is assinine.
Phil
http://nomadechoes.blogdrive.com
Who left the doors open to the psych ward? Did Bush cut the funding for mental health institutions too?
This crap about "you're either with us or against us" is so tired. Move on already!
Iggy Dude, wealthy people hire you, and the ones who have ethics, morals and scruples pay you an appropriate share of the profit and treat you like a human being. Those without ethics, morals or scruples exploit you and treat you like dirt. You can thank liberal democratic policies for making sure you have a choice between the two.
4Q said
"Oh and when you cut yourself, what are the best razors to use? I like, tried to use an X-acto knife and the like handle like totally got slippery."
Yes, X-acto knives are very difficult to handle when slippery. Nevertheless, you seem to have done quite well, considering the success of your lobotomy.
Hey Phil,
Besides his War effort, TDR was jacked up and the godfather of American Socialism, he made "big brother"
Also the reason why if you accout for ALL taxes (Federal, Local, FCC, Sales, Death and "permits and licenses"
Big Brother steals over 50 percent of what you make. We fought England over much less.
And how it is considered "Income" amazes me. Much of Income goes back into just plan old living and working to pay the 50 percent.
A profit generated, or left over monies should be "income" not all!
We are modern day slaves to our elected officials. Thank FDR for it!
So, Moxxie.... Are you saying that you basically thought Bill Clinton was wrong for his statement that "you can't hate your government and still love your country"?
Iggy Dude said...
Hey Phil,
Besides his War effort, TDR was jacked up and the godfather of American Socialism, he made "big brother"
Iggy, you should be aware the credibility of information you submit as evidence in support of your views suffers greatly when you so easily conflate even Presidential cousins.
Anon - I googled that quote and found nothing. Would you care to cite your source? I'd to see the context in which it was said.
And 4Q = typical right-wing mindless drone. Such sad.
hey Iggy Dude:
You said "tax cuts are helping the middle class and poor most". How do you figure? Every one of Bush's tax cuts has been designed around the wealthiest 2% of the population, with the middle class, working poor and desperately poor being almost totally ignored in the cuts. Worse, because the tax cutting is designed to help the most affluent [who need the help least] the tax burden is being steadily shifted more and more onto those middle class and poor people you ridiculously claim are being "helped most". You must be one of the people that thinks when Bush says he's "cutting taxes" that he means he's cutting EVERYONE'S taxes as opposed to what he really means, giving enormous tax breaks for the upper crust while shifting the burden onto those who can least afford it. Meanwhile, because all this is starving the treasury of revenue, that means many social programs [that actually DO help middle class, working poor and desperately poor people] are having to be gutted, as well as things like F.E.M.A. which is critically necessary for everyone's safety. Their excuse for slashing these programs to death is "Well, we just aren't taking in the amount of tax revenue necessary to provide this stuff anymore", shrugging their shoulders as if it isn't caused by their own reckless tax cutting for the wealthiest, their political puppetmasters. No Iggy, when the Bushites say they're "cutting taxes", rest assured, unless you're a multimillionaire they DON'T mean yours and it will "help" not a single working man. "Trickle-down economics", meaning by making it easier for Biff and Gwendola to buy that third yacht they don't need, at the most, is going to help the high-end yacht manufacturers a little [and THAT'S assuming they don't just put their savings in the bank], not the average worker out there swinging a hammer or digging a ditch. It does almost nothing to improve the lot of workers and the poorest, and simply doesn't work. The Bushites' economic policies are just warmed-over Reaganite "trickle-down economics". Didn't work then, won't work now.
Iggy, FRANKLIN Roosevelt was liberal, "American Socialist". THEODORE Roosevelt was nothing of the sort. The fact that you can't keep these two straight, or think they were the same person, demonstrates your lack of understanding of history and politics.
But more importantly, how dare you question the government's taxation during a time of war!!!!! How unpatriotic you are!!! Why do you hate America? If you hate it here so much, then go move to France, you anti-American, terrorist supporting, unpatriotic traitor.
Phil
http://nomadechoes.blogdrive.com
Yes Iggy, a good way to keep the two separate in your head [though they looked nothing alike and were very different politically] is just think of TR in the cavalry charge up San Juan Hill and FDR as the wonderful guy with polio who could barely walk even with leg braces and secretly cruised around in a wheelchair but whose policies brought America closer than it's ever been to having an honest, fair, equitable, worker-oriented economic system with the main concern being the well-being of the working class instead of the profits of the bourgeoisie.
(Before anyone points this out, of course TR was NOT president yet at the time when he rode up San Juan Hill, just as FDR wasn't president yet when he was originally stricken with polio).
Sorry to be late to the discourse. My blogger word verrification function seemed completely screwed. Here's my two cents:
Folks who suggest it is anti-patriotic to question the government forget what it means to be American. Indeed, they have become apologists and protectionists for perhaps the worst administration in the history of our United States. Indeed, folks who suggest that we should keep quiet about our frank, honest and legitimate concern that the W, Rove and Co is running our fair country into the ground should be tried for treason with the rest of their friends.
My word verification was acting all fucked up too. I don't know why... If I notice it happens again, I'll take it off for a while.
In defense of Iggy, TR was not the more socialist of the two Roosevelts, but he was probably the most socialist Republican president in modern history. Part of the reason we once had a political party with the awesome name "Bull-Moose"
Oddly there's a pretty good article on this very topic in the Weekly Standard today. The point is that while it's despicable to hide behind the "every dissent is treasonous" attitude any time anyone makes a criticism of the war, it's just as bad to hide behind the "all dissent is patriotic" attitude in order to spout out doubtful if not down right falsehoods about the war.
Can we at least agree about that? Can we then agree that the 90% of Iraqi's want us out number he keeps throwing around is pretty much impossible considering that 20% of the courty is Kurd, and they love us?
Barbara Ehrenreich:
No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.
Carl Schurz:
My Country! When right keep it right; when wrong, set it right!
Edward R. Murrow:
We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.
H. L. Mencken:
The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.
Henry Steele Commager:
Men in authority will always think that criticism of their policies is dangerous. They will always equate their policies with patriotism, and find criticism subversive.
James Baldwin:
I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.
Mark Twain:
The government is merely a servant -- merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.
Samuel Johnson:
Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
Theodore Roosevelt:
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. (1918)
William O. Douglas:
Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us.
George Orwell:
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Harry S Truman:
Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.
J. William Fulbright:
In a democracy, dissent is an act of faith.
John F. Kennedy:
Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed -- and no republic can survive
Edward R. Murrow:
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
Well, I guess I have to return the book of quotations I bought sans for Christmas.
Also, is that the same Murrow whose best friend was a communist spy? Just checking...
really?? please, think before you type. if we are really going that way, then GWB IS FUCKING GUILTY ABOUT 9/11 BY ASSOCIATION WITH THE BIN LADEN FAMILY, THE AFTERMATH OF KATRINA FOR ASSOCIATING WIHT BROWNIE, AND THE PLAME GAME FOR ASSOCIATING WITH LIBBY!!! c'mon now. get serious. if we were really guilty by association, none of us would have a leg to stand on.
so sorry...the beginning of my blog was cut off. it was supposed to start like this:
brash, are we really charging guilt by association??
then add in the rest.
No M, I was just sayig Murrow was full of shit
Edward R. Murrow "full of shit"? S'yeah, right! Amazing just how pathetic these right-wingers have gotten lately.
So is political dissent any more disloyal than, say, exposing an undercover CIA agent and destroying a covert operation dealing with nuclear proliferation? Enquiring minds want to know!
maybe yes, maybe no. but edward r. murrow and brash have equal rights under the constitution. he said what he thought, and so do you. it's just that some people don't listen when you talk because you're full of shit. he had a point to make. do you? not as far as i can tell. if you do, though, maybe you should try to actually make it, rather than deflecting all the time.
In the objective sense, I agree with his point. In the subjective sense, he was talking about "tearing down a nation" by accusing people of being Communist spys, when all the while his good friend was exactly that. I don't ignore him becuase he didn't have a point in general, but because he just didn't know what he was talking about
Can we then agree that the 90% of Iraqi's want us out number he keeps throwing around is pretty much impossible considering that 20% of the courty is Kurd, and they love us?
The number is 82% for "strongly opposed" to the presence of coalition troops, and Kurdish opinion isn't monolithic. Unless you want to attack standard polling methodology and the entire science of statistics, I'm afraid that's where we are at. The fact that it's 82% even when it includes the Kurds who aren't actually supportive of U.S. forces operating in Kurdistan (almost no foreign military presense) but in support of foreign occupation of the south just makes the stats that much more damning.
The vast majority of Iraqis want the U.S. out of Iraq. The vast majority of people in nearly every other country in the world feel that way too. The vast majority of Americans can now see that the invasion of Iraq was a horrible mistake that should never have been made. So, Iggy Dude, Brash Limburg, I ask you two, how does it feel to be part of a fast-shrinking minority of people who still have their head buried so far up their asses as to think this illegal war was a "good idea"?
Psych wards =human rights violations beyond belief on an ordinary basis in every state on American soil, but let's keep exploiting women who cut themselves, nothing beats mental patients for that colorful rhetoricical flourish...
Wake up now.
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