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Man holding daughter shot in apparent road rage
A man lifting his infant daughter out of his car was killed in an apparent case of road rage by a motorist "who obviously exploded" and shot him four times at close range in front of dozens of witnesses, authorities said.
The victim's 10-month-old girl was covered with blood but uninjured when police found her in a car seat on the floor of the vehicle.
Walter R. Bishop, 60, who was taking medication for depression, was arrested Tuesday and charged with first-degree murder in the death of 27-year-old Sandro Andrade...
After dropping his wife off, he allegedly returned to the scene of the confrontation, pointed a handgun through an open window and fired, police said.
"Pop! Pop! Pop! Pop! Four shots. It sounded like a cap gun," Louis McPhee, the manager of a car wash across the street, told The Boston Globe. "The guy was lying there in his own blood with a hole in his head and his arm still on the baby."
Bishop left before police arrived, but witnesses gave investigators his license plate number and police found him at his home.
Police said Bishop has a valid handgun license.
by MG at 9:13 PM
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Very sad.
I'm glad the child was unhurt.
The shooter went and dropped his wife off and came back and shot?
There's something going on with this guy more than just your average "that bastard just cut me off" road rage.
Great, he was "a former soldier and security guard, had recently begun taking two medications for depression". Now we'll have to listen to someone (Tom Cruise?) try to paint this as a side effect of the drugs. I'm sorry, but there was obviously something very wrong with this guy that caused him to need the meds in the first place. These meds take a beating because of the things nuts do when they are on them, but that isn't fair because they do a lot of good to the vast majority of persons that take them. They literally save hundreds to thousands-fold the number of lives than there are cases like this. Just ask brook Shields. We need to remember that these cases are obviously committed by nutcases. That's why they are put on meds. Stop trying to blame it on the meds or the video games or whatever lame excuse the media and a gazillion attorneys come up with.
Sad indeed.
It said that he was on 2 medications for depression, or if he mixed it with anything else.
He was 60, so I assume he was a Vietnam Veteran.
Maybe science can one day solve crimes like theses or all crime.
I think that in the future. (500 years+) addictions, and criminal behavior will be view as mental illness, abnormal brain cells.
I find it amazing that we inherit patterns and traits such as shyness.
We have so much to learn about Physiology.
We will be looked upon as being barbaric with our human zoos.
Until then, all persons involved suffer.
What other choice do we have?
Wow, Iggy Dude,
I think I actually agree with what you wrote. Let me reread it to make sure...
Yep, I buy it.
You have a little bit of liberal/progressive thinking going on there concerning crime and mental illness. I'm impressed.
Go figure.
The barbarity of the moment aside realize that neurol pathways are the wiring by wich our "circuits are wired" lawyers will most likely argue to an fro regarding sanity, but the reality is this person shorted out via one mechanism or another. It is a reminder, that where ever you are in life, sometimes a deep breath is the best course of action before any other pursuit, no matter how much you think otherwise. This person should never rejoin society for losing the ability to make that distinction.
Peace to all. I can almost guarantee but not quite that the suspect had previous episodes throughout his life that were of a violent nature.The need to carry a gun is most telling. I wonder how long he was licsensed to do so? The Psyc who prescribed the meds most assuredy asked him and most likely family members whether he had access to a firearm.
When confronted with a patient that is depressed an evaluation is made on how likely one is to harm oneself. Such questions like "On a scale of one to ten how close are you to commiting suicide? "Have you attempted before?" How long have you felt this way?" "How exactly would you do it?" And so on. Suicide is an expression of anger. The line between suicide and homicide is thin. That is why there is cases of murder-suicide.
On the subject of medication, yes it has helped a lot of people, however overprescription is a problem. Misdiagnosis happens all the time. Psy is at best the most shaky of all science.
I believe the that Mental Health like Health Care in total is severly underfunded. Not just on a National Level but local. I used to live in Montgomery County MD. This is such a Liberal County that it is often called the Peoples Republic of Montgomery County. A few years ago a decision was made to renovate an Art Center at the cost of millions. This county by the way has an annual budget of about 3 Billion. The Art Center is located in Chevy-Chase Bethesda neighborhood, which is one of the most expensive areas in Md.I called it a waste of resources then and predicted severe cost over runs. Originally I think it was 20million now it has climbed to 100 million. The Mental Health budget just about 15 years ago was 1 million and the Dept had to beg for that. I often go down to the area to visit friends and take my elderly handicapped inlaws shopping and I often ask people have they been to the Art Center yet. Not one yes yet. Admittingly no one I know lives in the rich areas. Such missapprpiation of funds is abhorrent to me. Anyday one can see obvious mentally ill people wandering the streets. Most often it is the police who have to deal with the problem. A lot of people in prison/jail are severly mentally ill. They are released and the cycle goes on.
Finally, I do not mean to excuse the suspected actions of the man however since I believe we are put here to take care of each other my position is one of collective responsibilty. Or else why bother even to write about it?
In that vein if there is anybody reading this who is depressed, please search for help. There are many places who take in clients on a sliding scale. There is hope and help. Just reach out. Don't give up till you drink from the silver cup and ride that highway in the sky.
your fellow Human
A related article - news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050802/ap_on_re_us/soldier_slaying
I picked it up from hardnewsnow.com (Haed Attack News).
your fellow Human
Perhaps in order to keep a handgun license there should be a law or something requiring a bi-yearly psychologlical examination? I am for gun rights but I also believe safety steps need to be taken. The gun crowd can roar all they want but if we can prevent oone murder, all of these steps are worth it.
Human:
I think you made a good point.
The endowments for the Arts should be lower in the feeding chain, than mental health.
I think the hollywood elite should support the Arts.
Let's face it you won't see a black tie affairs, and who's, who's in a mental health center.
I think The Salvation Army does the best for the buck.
They have Homeless shelters across America.
They cater to large number of people with mental illness, these people have no where else to go.
Phil Hendrie comes to mind as well, He gives most of his web sales to a shelter for runnaway teens in Hollywood. (prevention at work)
Not only is this cat funny, he's a good joe.
(Phil can be heard on Web radio 6-10 Eastern)
http://www.970wfla.com/
According to CNN, I believe, the defense attorney is already trying to blame the victim. Supposedly, the guy that got shot did something in traffic that pissed the other guy off, and when they had words about it, the victim got confrontational and "scared" the (alleged) shooter's wife. So the shooter (screw the alleged chit...at least ten people saw him do it!) came back to "take care of it"
Absolutely disgusting. (Both the part about the shooting...and the part about trying to blame the victim)
Peace to you and yours Iggy Dude. As one who has lived on the streets I can attest to the kindness of the folks at the Salvation Army. As I'm fond of saying to the Bushusefools "if ya wanna see real Christian Soldiers go down to your local Salvation Army Post. The 1st thing ya notice is the lack of armaments." Talk about some shock and awe on their faces.
As one who enjoys a good belly jiggler thanks for the Hendrie link. I'll be sure to check it out. I just put lil Joe down for a nappie and the Show starts in 20 mins.! Read ya later.
your fellow Human
HA! I like the set up pitch swing and hit, your getting better at it any way. You know what? mental health care belongs in the same boat as regular health care, because thats what it is. The solution is not to cut the endowment to the arts or community centers that bring neighbors and families together, but rather to restructure the health insurance system in a way that favors the consumer not lawyers and the pharma industry. Dems have been trying since 1992 to restructure the health care system in a way that is beneficial to the consumer but republican special interests like the Pharma industry have succesfully lobbied time and again against it. You know what I want to know? What is the profit margin for running a hospital? What is the profit margin on an MRI? You know? could we shave a few cents off of every service levied to the consumer and lower the cost of health care for every American family. Or could we at least fix the economy in a way that allows corporations to give us our health benefits back? Now putting that rant aside the guy was taking anti-depressants which meant he had some sort of access to mental health care. Maybe his doctor was a numnut despite the alphabet soup after his name, but trying to relate this story to, "privatizing," social programs that enrich the lives of all American families is despicable.
"The solution is not to cut the endowment to the arts or community centers that bring neighbors and families together"
That's the point, if the Arts is good for the people, we want Government out of it.
Orgs like the SAC, RIAA can support the arts.
It's their field.
If we take the same amount of money for SS and health care as Big Gov and are able to purchase private insurances, We'll get more for our money.
You want to let Big Gov have more power over our lives?
Rasing taxes, and tossing money will fail every time.
Point is, Salvation Army has a shoesting budget and they change lives. Big Gov wants you to be thier junkie, Programs for taxes and they skim of the top.
A.A. is a free org and has the highest suscess rates over paid programs.
"The best things is life are free......."
(And Big Gov sings... Give me money, that's what I want!)
Hey Iggy Dude, that Hendrie guy is pretty funny. I got to listen to about 20 mins. of it before my lil Joe woke up. Although I don't think laughter is the best medicine it sure does help.
your fellow Human
Peace to all. This link www.santorumexposed is a must to be shared. The blog links
http://www.santorumexposed.com/serendipity/index.php show just what a flip flopping hypocratin this guy is.
your fellow Human
Well this is where we will not agree I do not think funding the arts in addition to what private organizations contribute creates cubist junkies, but if you really don't like big government why don't you ask them to stop giving hand outs to oil companies and also to think things through to the end game before blowing 300 billion dollars on haphazardly,"liberating," other countries?
Any "hand outs" is a crime
Stop it all, and your taxes would be a small percentage of what they are now!
YOU as an American could CHOOSE who to give your extra dollars to.
WOW is that not freedom like our forefathers intended?
Ya know I'm putting this one to bed on my end, but you do realize that you took a tragic story about a guy that was on anti-depressants, a clear indicator that he had some access to mental health care, and you then twisted some one elses mortal misfortune in such a perverse way as to suggest that the endowment for the arts robbed the healthcare system of monies that could have prevented this if only they had been there to provide healthcare for this individual. You did this for the sole reason of arguing taxes vs. social programs. That's sick dude but not surprising coming from you.
You should know that the endowment for the arts recieved about 121 million dollars in 2004 and has recieved less than 181 million dollars on average per year since the 1990s. That sounds like a lot of money in your pocket or mine but when you put it in the context of a 10 trillion dollar economy its not even chump change, our government most likely buys individual military aircraft that exceed that cost . You can not have a government that is capable of providing anything for its nation if it does not collect some form of taxes. Taxes help to maintain broad middle class and a large middle class is EXACTLY the sort freedom that our fore fathers intended to provide, with out a middle class a society is reduced to masters and servants AND THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN HERE! And if your worried about the elite paying more in taxes just keep in mind that they make more of a return on their taxes since their employees have roads to drive to work on.
But once again it is clear that you are not only clueless and unwilling to check your facts, it is clear that you are willing to take advantage of some one elses death in the most misleading way to further a preposterous and rather unrelated argument. So the real question is are you a deciever or a fool?
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